Guest Alphonsox Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Any reason not to buy this cheaper one ? I'll pay more if it's justified ? Sorry for being a tight arse. ?☠ If I remember correctly they are the same hardware in different cases. The metal case will give a bit more immunity from interference and will be a bit more mechanically robust but nothing you're likely to notice in normal use. Buy the plastic cased one as long as you can keep the kids from jumping on it. BTW > The metal cased one regularly drops to around £14 so not much different to the plastic one, worth keeping an eye on over the next few weeks. http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/NETGEAR-GS308-100UKS-Gigabit-Ethernet-Wallmount/product/B00AWM7PKO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Nick, It's not worth scrimping on the wall plates. Tripping over Enet leads is an occupational hazard. If someone goes arse over tit on a cable then almost certainly the worst that will happen is that the lock will snapped off the RJ45 plug at the plate rather than pulling out buried cables or snapping them out of the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alphonsox Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Simple and functional. ? Bugger, that was my plan. Currently have 2 points run this way ( 1 for each sons rooms ) and getting 90mb down and 9 up. Solid CAT5 cable is supposed to be run between sockets, sockets are connected using flexible patch leads. As you have found you can attach an RJ45 to the ends of the solid cable and it will make a connection - for a bit. This arrangement is usually prone to failure whenever the plug gets twisted, bumped or otherwise molested. Unfortunately I know this from personal experience. My wife "persuaded" me to do a proper job after some singing competition on Iplayer stopped mid-yodel and refused to restart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 GS108 vs 208 https://community.netgear.com/t5/Unmanaged-Switches/GS108-vs-GS208-vs-GS608/td-p/1053520 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryE Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Internal cables are single core: less attenuation, cheaper per m, but can easily fatigue if flexed too often. Patch leads are usually multicore. A lot more flexible (and cheap to replace if they do go). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 18 December 2016 at 16:35, vfrdave said: @Stones stick a 4 port hub on that single cat 6 for them to share or just patch the one that is needed at the time. Other alternative is to get a tp link access point and put it on one of those devices but then your using Wi-Fi. A good option for strong reliable Wi-Fi is to use the likes of a ubiquiti AP and ditch the Wi-Fi off an isp's supplied router. For the upstairs bedrooms, aka mission control, I'll run a cable for each device. The less clutter at these points the better. I hear the advice on terminating theses cables as God intended, and I of all people should know better as I've made so many off I've lost count. It's the cost mainly at the moment tbh, so I'll likely make the second switch off, as discussed, in the summer and just make the plugs off as well as practicable for now. Fwiw, @TerryE, the cables all run to behind the devices, eg. trunked or chased into walls and emerging from single back boxes via bristle fronted cable exit plates ( whatever they're actually called escapes me right now ) and I've allowed a turn of slack at a metre before the plug goes into said gadget. Tripping hazard has been mitigated afaic, but kids will be kids so I'll make my oldest boys off into proper outlets ASAP as he's the PC man and every 0 or 1 that he gets starved of will be a day off my existence. Gutted : Plastered the wall yesterday that has the two 1g 'signal' outlets for the attic bedroom. I've got a lower one and an upper one, linked by a buried PVC waste pipe ( set into the eps ). Upper one is for the wall mounted smart, and out of that 1g box comes a cable for RGB led 'halo' lights to wrap around rear of the TV, a single cat5 for the TV, a speaker wire for the centre so it can be snug under the TV and fixed with a Vogel, and an HDMI lead. Too late to separate them and get a dedicated 1g box cut in for the proper outlet ( unless I have the proper outlet and just have the other cables come out of the other half of a modular face plate )? Lower one has 5 speaker cables coming out for surround amp to connect to, a single cat5 ( soon to be two, thanks to the heads-up from @Stones about the blue ray ) and the other end of the HDMI lead. Xbox and dvd both connect to surround amp which just happens to have hdmi switching on it, ( thank you Ebay bargain Onkyo surround for £62.50p in mint condition ), so only one HDMI lead needed. I reluctantly resigned myself from "system design" yesterday so we could start plastering ? but I fear a change today and some Easy-fill being required. Bugger10. Thanks again, all. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 How about this? 8 ports prob won't suffice. Seller refirbished with returns ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alphonsox Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Nickfromwales said: How about this? 8 ports prob won't suffice. Seller refirbished with returns ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Say something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Cat5 coming out and cat 6 going in If I don't get my finger out I'll be neck n neck with @Onoff's bathroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alphonsox Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Not a good choice - this is a managed switch as used in professional set-ups. They are complete overkill for what you need and require networking knowledge to set up and control. The ones linked to above are unmanaged and are "plug and play" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Many thanks. So 'unmanaged' is the one for me. Few heads better than one ☝️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 cheap solution, use an old modem/router and simply turn off DHCP addressing I have a draytek main router, 1st port goes to an old talktalk router at the tv position, 2nd port goes to loft to another talktalk router which supplies wifi upstairs and goes to shed to another talktalk router providing wifi in shed and ethernet for my satellite box, loft router also goes to sons bedroom to yet another router for his PS and PC , 2nd port from loft provides ethernet in our main bedroom, 3rd port in loft router goes to back bedroom, 4th port goes to cctv DVR. 3rd port on draytek goes to another talktalk router to provide a guest network that is islanded from the rest of the home network talktalk are good at sending out routers, if you ring them up with any sort of problem its the first thing they do btw, my network is simply all cat5e, speed loss is un-noticeable tbh, I'd say anything more than cat6 for a home network is overkill, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Wot I said with the BT routers.....I've even got an old TalkTalk router or two somewhere. Nowt wrong with 'em, my stupid mate kept setting them up / plugging them in wrong so TalkTalk kept sending them to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Just checked the bank. Soldering iron is coming out later and I'm hooking up the original ones for January. F@@@ it, only so much I can do. In 4 weeks this went from rockwool and junk to this Not bad considering I kept regular job going as well. Has a good mate help in evenings and weekends. Bribed sufficiently ???? Back to sanding ?????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 48 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Just checked the bank. Soldering iron is coming out later and I'm hooking up the original ones for January. F@@@ it, only so much I can do. In 4 weeks this went from rockwool and junk to this Not bad considering I kept regular job going as well. Has a good mate help in evenings and weekends. Bribed sufficiently ???? Back to sanding ?????? Slow coach..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 ?✌️️? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sanding done. Now to clean, and clean, and clean ...........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiking Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I notice you're no tidier than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 24 minutes ago, daiking said: I notice you're no tidier than anyone else. At 9:30 last night I scraped the floors and keeled over. Was at it from 07:00 and I'll admit I was less than concerned about housekeeping after laying 5 bags of multi in 24oC heat. Having your entire tool repertoire in the house really helps too. In between laying on sets I'm still fitting studs and boards down the stairwell ? Down there to get cabled and boarded with handrail. Ho ho ho my arse. ?? Pub later, need one for my sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Are the cat6 faceplates different to cat5? Likewise, I see cat6 patch panels too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alphonsox Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: Are the cat6 faceplates different to cat5? Likewise, I see cat6 patch panels too. Yes they are - They give better termination to the cables. > Edit : The cat5 ones will work but may not get to full transmission speed. There is not a big price difference if you dig around. I ended up using CAT6 LAP faceplates from screwfix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Cheers. I'll get the cat 6 outlets for the attic today so that rooms 'done', and use tidy patch cables to interconnect. Im also chucking in a mid room data point for when he's a bit older and wants a desk and a laptop / PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Ok, next one. I read talk of a third party wireless access point. Does this just plug into my new switch via a patch lead and give it some juice ( extra mains socket required ?). Also, if correct, recommendations please? Looks like : VM router stays downstairs ( shortest primary cable from ISP ). Cat 6 from there to new 1st floor switch using port 1 of VM box. Port 2 and 3 of VM box to living room smart tv and blue ray. Port 4 to Internet printer all in one in dining room. New switch to to feed all data points upstairs plus 1 x WAP. Cat 6 throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alphonsox Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 How many data points do you have upstairs ? If 3 or less your best bet will be an old router as suggested above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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