Toppers Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 We have created a very small WC in our extension and plan to fit a reduced projection WC the soil stack is off to the right so the pan connector would have to join from there, what models would be suitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 A photo, or plan (or both) would help us help you better ......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toppers Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) I've attached a PDF of the layout. WC.pdf Edited January 3, 2020 by Toppers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 What is the wall made of? Can you cut into it, e.g to recess the soil pipe into the wall? If so the solution would probably be a back to the wall pan with the soil pipe run recessed into the wall, but that might be a lot of engineering. Or still work on a back to wall pan, built out on some studwork, with the soil pipe part recessed into the wall, part within the studwork, and a slimline cistern behind the studwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toppers Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, ProDave said: What is the wall made of? Can you cut into it, e.g to recess the soil pipe into the wall? If so the solution would probably be a back to the wall pan with the soil pipe run recessed into the wall, but that might be a lot of engineering. Or still work on a back to wall pan, built out on some studwork, with the soil pipe part recessed into the wall, part within the studwork, and a slimline cistern behind the studwork. Both walls are external cavity walls that have been dot & dabbed, the studwork idea would probably eat too much into the already limited space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Toppers said: Both walls are external cavity walls that have been dot & dabbed, the studwork idea would probably eat too much into the already limited space. Cut away the dot and dab and recess a little into the blockwork and you might get to a compromise. Otherwise what you are looking for is something as slim as a back to wall pan, but with a side outlet. I have not seen such a thing. High level cistern may solve how to get a cistern in without pushing the pan too far forwards. What is the width of the room? How about a corner pan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just idea,s. https://victoriaplum.com/blog/posts/small-cloakroom-bathroom-ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toppers Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, ProDave said: Cut away the dot and dab and recess a little into the blockwork and you might get to a compromise. Otherwise what you are looking for is something as slim as a back to wall pan, but with a side outlet. I have not seen such a thing. High level cistern may solve how to get a cistern in without pushing the pan too far forwards. What is the width of the room? How about a corner pan? The room is approx 1m x 1.2m. I don't think a corner pan would work as the soil pipe stub stack is in the only corner where it could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 How about a turned trap pan? Link picked at random: https://www.replacementbathroom.co.uk/turned-trap-low-level-wc-toilet-pan-white-1192-p.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toppers Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Onoff said: How about a turned trap pan? Link picked at random: https://www.replacementbathroom.co.uk/turned-trap-low-level-wc-toilet-pan-white-1192-p.asp Good idea but the price is a little scary. How much space is there behind a normal pan to fit a 90 deg pan connector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I have a standard cheap Wickes close coupled pan and cistern downstairs. From the wall, the front of the pan is 66cm. That would leave you 54cm between the front of the pan and the facing wall. Plenty of room to sit down and use it. You might have problems if building control are demanding this is an "accessible " facility. From a standard close coupled pan, the pan connector and soil pipe can exit sideways without adding any extra depth. As I have it, the pan connector goes straight down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toppers Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, ProDave said: I have a standard cheap Wickes close coupled pan and cistern downstairs. From the wall, the front of the pan is 66cm. that would leave you 54cm between the front of the pan and the facing wall. Plenty of room to sit down and use it. You might have problems if building control are demanding this is an "accessible " facility. From a standard close coupled pan, the pan connector and soil pipe can exit sideways without adding any extra depth. That sounds like it would do the trick, building control have never made any mention of it being accessible and they have approved the plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone West Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @Toppers I fitted a corner toilet in our wetroom with the soil pipe stub in the corner like yours. Pan connector and 90 degree bend and it fitted fine. We bought it on Ebay and it is similar to this one. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WC-Ceramic-Toilet-Bathroom-Corner-Toilet-White/283456730805 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Toppers said: That sounds like it would do the trick, building control have never made any mention of it being accessible and they have approved the plans. I have added a picture in my post above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassanclan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 You've got to look for short projection toilets and see if there's anything that will do the trick if you don't want a high level cistern or concealed cistern. RAK do a 600mm projection https://www.bellabathrooms.co.uk/rak-series-600-short-projection-toilet-600mm.html I'm sure there are others, but don't recall coming across anything shorter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 This would do it and fit over your stub. https://victoriaplum.com/browse/close-coupled-toilets?csi=GSRCNR01&ds_kid=92700046205472684&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_Yn8v-nn5gIViLPtCh0Vdgp0EAQYAiABEgLHM_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds what is the plan for a hand basin..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennentslager Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 At least three on this page that project out 610/630mm and have space to fit a elbow connector https://www.wholesaledomestic.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=compact toilet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennentslager Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, bassanclan said: You've got to look for short projection toilets and see if there's anything that will do the trick if you don't want a high level cistern or concealed cistern. RAK do a 600mm projection https://www.bellabathrooms.co.uk/rak-series-600-short-projection-toilet-600mm.html I'm sure there are others, but don't recall coming across anything shorter Cancel my last... that’s less than 100 Squids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Usually the cistern and pan connector/bend are similar depths. If you find a really narrow concealed cistern then.. Gberit have a pretty short right angle bend/pan connector they use on some of their frames... https://www.tapsempire.co.uk/product/geberit-hdpe-bend-with-connector-for-wall-wc/?gclid=CjwKCAiA6bvwBRBbEiwAUER6JS-hK4K4TgfYTUUF4UnumZIJx615fJ76S1f_4Wr2oNw9bIl69gmHwBoCPpIQAvD_BwE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) With short projection pans check the seat will stay up. Some may need low profile seat and cover? Edited January 3, 2020 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 145mm from back of pipe to front of frame with an 8cm Geberit: https://catalog.geberit.co.uk/en-GB/Geberit-Duofix-frame-for-wall-hung-WC,-114-cm,-with-Sigma-concealed-cistern-8-cm/PRO_168879-111.799.00.1.html Edited January 3, 2020 by Onoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Grohe; similar install dimns: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Think the shortest wall hung is around 480mm so add 145mm and you get 625mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Think this cistern is just 96mm from back of cistern to front of wall (80mm cistern and 16mm for the plasterboard and tiles).. https://www.ukbathroomstore.co.uk/pura-cc100-super-slim-concealed-insulated-pneumatic-cistern?dfw_tracker=34263-CC100&gclid=CjwKCAiA6bvwBRBbEiwAUER6Jf7NtV2SrNHriTpCeWY-DxudR5Y6VTUaSbPbvDy3hX9HQYJU1_QCLxoCsv8QAvD_BwE So a 110mm waste pipe would be the limiting factor eg back of pipe to front of wall could in theory be 110+16mm = 125mm? Would have to be a floor mounted WC and horizontal studs only. Getting a bit carried away here :-) Edited January 3, 2020 by Temp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 03/01/2020 at 09:53, Toppers said: We have created a very small WC Time to get creative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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