peter2703 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Hi all , not sure if this is the right place for this post but I have a potentially costly problem which I'd like a bit of advice on please. I built 2 large sheds within PD limits but then the PA told me that PD rights had previously been withdrawn so would I please apply for retrospective PP. I duly sent in the form but they then hit me with a CIL form because the total EXTERNAL area is more than 100m2. I looked up the regs and they should be using internal area but that's an easy issue to sort out I guess. The total area of the two sheds is 105M2, one is a games room for my young children and the other is divided into 3, a workshop, store and sitting area. Question - the charge looks like about 18k in our area and this is totally ridiculous for these structures - what to do? Regards, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I know nothing about CIL as I built a replacement house but a little bit of reading found this, not sure if it helps. Are there any reliefs from the CIL? In accordance with the Regulations the following development may receive relief from CIL: Charitable development Social housing development Self-build development Self-build residential annex or extension Guidance notes are available to explain the process for claiming relief, available to be viewed on Guidance Notes and Other Information Source would yours not come under .4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, joe90 said: would yours not come under .4 ? It would have if he had applied for CIL exemption before he started work, which is what you have to do. However as they are built i don't think that there is a method to retrospectively apply for exemption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, peter2703 said: what to do? lose 5.1m2 ? Edited November 22, 2019 by Moonshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter2703 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 you mean with an internal stud wall or similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter2703 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 I've had a look at the local rules and it seems that I can't apply for exemption now ... No idea why that changes and it hasn't been tested in the courts as far as i can see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter2703 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 CIL was never, ever meant to be applied like this by the zealots of LAPD - it was to mitigate the impact of development on the local infrastructure But give pipsqueaks power and they squeeze till the pips squeak (LAPD = Local Authority Planning Dept) :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, peter2703 said: you mean with an internal stud wall or similar? something like that, something that will cost a lot less than the £18k that you are on the hook for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Replied to this but my reply has evanished. Will see if it reappears then try again if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) (Seem to be 2 versions of the thread) Ouch. Make it smaller for GIA purposes. I think the first need here is thinking time, as CIL takes a bit of getting to grips with and varies by area. But the easy way is if the GIA calc is less than 100 when you correct the Council, if they accept the basis of your calculation. What is the actual GIA? Start with that. If your PP is still in process, in which case I think you can "withdraw" it then resubmit within the next 12 months without having to pay another fee. If it is not yet determined, I would check that you can do that, then withdraw and go into the regs etc. Can you make eg your logstore or your sitting area open to the outside etc. to shrink the GIA ? Walls can take up a lot of space :-); can you make some walls a bit thicker with insulation, or use other tweaks? Make it accurate, 'cos if I were the Council I would come and measure it having been subjected to that sort of claim. Ferdinand Edited November 22, 2019 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter2703 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 OK , thanks for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFDIY Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Where is the 'area' measured? If it's a floor level you could box off some strategic areas with sloping sides if needs be to reduce floor area but not available space so much. Likewise any workshop needs a bench, could it be fully built in and the area underneath inaccessible and therefore discounted from the internal area? What about splitting the two applications? Does that mean you get twice the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 14 hours ago, peter2703 said: you mean with an internal stud wall or similar? Top marks for lateral thinking. Perhaps some internal insulation would also use up the floor space and might be needed anyway if building control get involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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