joe90 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just skimming through Ebay as I have a notion of doing like @ProDave with a ground array or garage roof. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250-watt-solar-panels-approx-300-unused-ready-for-collection-only-per-panel/264500513183?hash=item3d9575899f:i:264500513183 comments please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Pity there's not more information in that listing. Might be worth asking the seller what make they are, what their history is, and whether he'd accept an offer for a batch of panels. Might even be worth asking if he'd do a deal for a big batch of them, and then organise a group buy on here, perhaps. Need to get them from Norwich, though, which may add a fair bit to the cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) I have asked those question @JSHarris and will post the reply, if any one is interested keep an eye on this thread. Norwich is 350 miles from me ?. Edited October 25, 2019 by joe90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 No recent activity on ebay, no feedback as a seller, and suddenly he has 300 panels to sell. Perhaps a little whiff of fish? Re transport, I got 25 panels that came on a pallet stacked flat. A clever (experience?) trick was the seller taped a completely empty small cardboard box on the top of the stack, almost certainly to deter the couriers stacking other stuff on top. I doubt you would want more than about 30 panels on one pallet and that will cost something like £100 from Palletways or similar. It would be interesting if anyone is close enough to actually visit, see the panels and buy some and let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Harris Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Lots of installers seem to have gone to the wall in the past year or so, so maybe he's picked up these panels from one of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patp Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 We live not far from Norwich. If @joe90 gets a sensible reply then we could go look at them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, joe90 said: Norwich is 350 miles from me But as flat as your site. And it is still only 1989 there. Edited October 25, 2019 by SteamyTea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onoff Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, JSHarris said: so maybe he's picked up these panels Having six fingers on each hand will have helped... (Nfn). Edited October 25, 2019 by Onoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patp Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 13 hours ago, patp said: We live not far from Norwich. If @joe90 gets a sensible reply then we could go look at them. But then if it is only 1989 here I might have to hitch the horse and cart up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) This is the solar panel version of David Cameron’s book. No one wants the particular model. Edited October 26, 2019 by Ferdinand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToughButterCup Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Onoff said: Having six fingers on each hand will have helped... (Nfn). Oi ! Fingerist.... Stop it at once (I've only got eight left) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, AnonymousBosch said: I've only got eight left) On one hand. Must have been all that Black Forest Gateaux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Davies Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 So, that £40 bid: is it for one panel for £40 or the whole lot of £12'000? Seriously, that's an odd way to run an auction as almost nobody wants one panel. If I was confident it wasn't a scam and the panels were decent [¹] I'd happily pay £50 or somewhat more each for 40 panels but I don't want 1 or 300. How would I bid for that? [¹] I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Yes it is an odd situation. My guess is he doesn't really want to sell them by auction, he wants you to just contact him and negotiate. A better way might be to package them up in lots of 16 panels (4KWp) and sell them in batches like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 Didn’t get a reply and the bidding has ended early???. Very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 The Fishy smell just got stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickfromwales Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264509828782 Good / bad ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nickfromwales said: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264509828782 Good / bad ? If you can get them for close to the start price, that's about £28 per panel They are a slightly smaller version of the panels I have made by Trina Solar. Those are 230W panels, mine are 250W. Looking at the pictures of the back, they look to possibly be suffering from "degraded backing sheet" Mine were advertised as that, though the reality was only 2 of the batch I bought had any sign of problems and were easily fixed. It does appear this make, the backing sheet along the joint lines between individual cells is prone to cracking, perhaps due to it getting hotter there? At least the seller of mine mentioned that "defect" Mine claimed to be from a solar farm that was upgraded. There certainly seem to be a lot of these for sale, this seller has a warehouse full and advertising different sized batches as well, e.g 20 panels for a starting price of £750 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Better one - about £45 per panel and 3 inverters thrown in too .. lower power panels but could be useful as 3 big ground arrays. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F372810076948 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 30 minutes ago, PeterW said: Better one - about £45 per panel and 3 inverters thrown in too .. lower power panels but could be useful as 3 big ground arrays. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F372810076948 That would make a good group buy to split 3 ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 My only thought is inverters have a “life”, do we know how old they are? How much life is left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProDave Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, joe90 said: My only thought is inverters have a “life”, do we know how old they are? How much life is left? If they are as old as the panels, 7-8 years, they are probably near end of life. But you can get a replacement for about £300 so still a good buy, if split between 3 would be about £1500 each, similar cost to mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, ProDave said: If they are as old as the panels, 7-8 years, they are probably near end of life. Panels have a life of 25 or 30 years - the ones at CAT are over 20 years old and still at something like 93% of initial install power, and there are some that were installed in Switzerland in degraded less than 1% per year and they were installed in the late 1980’s. As @ProDave says about the inverters, they probably have 3-5 years left in them, and if they are kept cool could probably go for longer still. Worth noting the aluminum channel will probably be worth £6-800 as it is - definitely the makings of a DIY ground array there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamyTea Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) The panel degradation is a tricky calculation, similar to German cars in a way. Many panels were sold with a minimum output, this was achieved by having panels that started overrated. So a 250W module may well have been a 275W module. But the degradation was based from 250W. My Mother always bought Mercedes for 30 years, she thought the depreciation was lower. I pointed out that it was calculated on the base model and did not take into account any extras, and as anyone who bought a Mercedes in the 70's, 80's and 90's knows, everything was an extra. Edited October 26, 2019 by SteamyTea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplysimon Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 pick up an ashp https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-WORCESTER-HWDU-151-AIR-SOURCE-HEAT-PUMP-HOT-WATER-CYLINDER-COLL-BLACKBURN/372794599442?hash=item56cc4a2812:g:8PQAAOSw7vBdl7L9 at the same time or grey water harvesting inc. toilet https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MACDEE-ECOPLAY-GREY-WATER-HARVESTING-TOILET-SYSTEM-EX-DEMO-COLLECT-BLACKBURN/372794586565?hash=item56cc49f5c5:g:29sAAOSwJAxdl6y5 same seller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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