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    We thought that also and the HMRC confirmed it was down to end usage Whike some are apartments Others parts are being used as workplaces We also have this when doing student accommodation new builds some are zero Some are reduced rate If the University is retaining its zero If it’s being past onto investors It’s chargeable Ive no idea of this when invoicing So charge on all The list goes on
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    Well spotted. Get your ladder and up you go. You may find one of those ladder stand off brackets will make it easier if you need to unclip a section.
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    1.618. I thought you were starting from that from the title 🙂. We did it in O Level Maths iirc. It is the ratio of a rectangle with sides where the leftover bit has the same proportions as the original if you cut off a square. Draw it up and you see that that relationship lets you construct a decreasing series of rectangles where there long side of the next smaller one is the same length as the shorter side of the previous one, and that allows interesting progressions of shapes based around eg spirals. Have a play with some graph paper and cutting up rectangles in that proportion - should give a better feel. Mathematically you start with 1.618 by 1. Cut off 1 and you get 1 by 0.618. And 1 divided by 0.618 is 1.618. Geometrically if you draw a rectangle like that, you can visually see a pair of simultaneous equations that let you calculate it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio F
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    Flat, not shiny. I’d have said mirror otherwise 😜 Big walls will always have some kind of undulation, but for every 2.5m run @ 2.4m high you should be expecting a very good finish over the given area. Beware the spreads that don’t lay opposites on and let them go hard before then laying adjoining, eg spreads who put a whole room on ‘wet on wet, and then there is very little they can do to get all the internal angles and lines crisp and straight. Yes, they do make internal corner trowels, I own one, but not many people can use one without doing more harm than good. 3 sets a day is good going, just depends how old your spread is 😁
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    Back on thread then. Reckon I know what not to do ref sliding gates and @Big Jimbo and others on here will add.
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    It’s often difficult to get these companies to reduce or even Zero rate They don’t always understand the vat I had trouble getting the gas Conections to zero rate They did eventually Same problem with electric Conections Told then Gas have They OK no problem As I say because the previous 50 customers have paid full It doesn’t mean you have to
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    I quite like hook fixing as the tiles can't slip down. Some dislike the look but I like that they don't rattle in the wind.
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    I believe it should be reduced rated if it is clearly for the house. The fact that its initially being installed for use by the static van first might be an issue. Consider getting them to install it and connected to the house, then hook it to the van yourself. Ask them to requote at 5% VAT because its for a conversion. Quote your planning reference number and VAT Notice 708. To be reduced rated the work must be "closely connected" with the construction of a new dwelling. See 3.3.4 to 3.3.6 for examples .. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/buildings-and-construction-vat-notice-708#para3-3-4
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    I’d be more concerned over the lack of bond on the blocks
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    So far as I can see, the only difference in up-front cost is that you're using piling contractors rather than a groundworks guy with a digger to make the hole for the foundations/basement wall, you aren't paying for someone to dig the soil out of the centre while nothing is there (pretty cheap as access is the best it will ever be) and you aren't paying to lay a floor in the basement. It's worth costing out properly, but unless you have issues with deep excavations (e.g. close to a boundary) my suspicion is that a basement will be cheaper than piled foundations of the same depth. The extra work is all stuff that is really cheap to do now but expensive later, while piling (particularly if it has to be fully continuous) has a reputation for being expensive.
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    i recently spoke to wales and west utilities and tgey auoted around 600 for a standard connection if main line nearby
  12. 1 point
    Depends. The one I wanted connecting to was only 25KvA and they had to upgrade it to 100Kva for me to connect to which I had to pay for (well a portion)
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    Sorry not read the whole of this thread, but I'm surprised about the volt drop statement for 3 phase over 300m. My situation was: My barn conversion is about 750 meters across 2 fields and a wood to nearest transformer (using by another farm). Initial quote was £52,000 from the DNO. There preferred solution was to bring HV line across fields ending with a transformer at my property. I got the phone number of the chap organising the solution in the area (not the initial quote person) and had lots of conversations with him. In the end I got the quote down to about £8K However I had to dig the trench across the fields etc and lay my own cable (which was around £16K just for cable). However the point about voltage drop doesn't add up. My solution in the end was to run a 2 phase (which in theory would have more voltage drop for the same thickness cable). However I ran an incredibly thick cable and doubled up the phases with my meter box (and therefore the DNO responsibility) just by the transformer (which is a large distance from my actual house). A found a commercial electrical company who ran the numbers for the voltage drop (ie a computer program). I'm all connected now with no issues and not much of a voltage drop at all.
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    I don't suppose anyone knows what the power rating of the typical transformers they stick up a pole is please? One site I'm looking at has such a transformer just about 100m away from the build site on the edge of the land which is supplying just one other property: if it were possible to connect into the LV side of that it will obviously save a pile of money over a short 11KV link + another transformer.
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    I've now met with a low voltage planner and HV planner who came out to site, spoken to the HV planner yesterday and he said there is no room for negotiation, the price is the price, also that the volt drop on the 300m run to our place ruled out putting in 3 phase and doubling the voltage...there is 11000 volts going into the existing pole at the bottom of our track so basically we are being asked to pay £35K to take the HV supply 150m further up our track. Unfortunately the other transformer in the hamlet is the same distance away, so no help there. Competition in Connections is a farce if you're a domestic customer who just wants 1 connection. Will keep trying...
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    Strongly agree with this. Try and get the local team out for a sensible conversation. I did that for our quote, took a pinch bar with an SSE employee and we chartered our way through the bedrock for the wayleave route.
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    As an aside to this, when the project manager came out to see us prior to starting the job and we explained to him about what had happened he said this is what they do, produce a large quote and if you’re daft enough to pay it that’s great for them but you should always challenge it. He also was extremely helpful in putting in the ducting for water and telephone at the same time as he did the road crossing.
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    Sure Just to provide some background our connection was 220 odd meters, through a single track road road in 2015. Looking back on my emails and there are quite a few, the quote started off at £10,900, then dropped to £6,300 after reviewing the route and options regarding a couple of 3rd party wayleaves. The quote was £1,900 cheaper with me doing this. The prefer choice was for SSE to blind the trench with sand. I had to supply the ducting and a rope at a cost of around £350. North of Highland so only for self build/community groups up here. £1,500 received from them. Not that well know even here, might be other charitable trusts which provide similar grants in other parts of the UK. My quote included the road opening. No apart from the post being mentioned at the start it was not considered again. Family live in surrounding houses and the cable was just supplying to many house to support another property. Our cable was really thick but we have a single phase. To summarise I spent £350 on ducting A day work on the digger £400 Electricity connection 220 meter and road opening £6,300 Less grant £1,500 Less £980 - this was a cheque I received at a later date. Total connection cost just over £4,500 I then constructed a box for the temporary supply from old fence posts and scrap materials. I paid a further small fee of about £150 to move the cable into the house from the temporary supply. The road crossing for SSE had to be close to the transformer they had their own local contractor, but for the water/phone connection, I dug down to find a duct which had enough room for another water pipe and phone line, threaded a drawcord through and cost nothing apart from a minor permit for apparatus under the road about £100.
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    Possibly. If it's just ancillary to an existing house (eg a guest bedroom, games room etc) then no. If it's going to be a new dwelling that can be "separately occupied" and sold off as a separate dwelling then yes. What does your planning permission say? Edit: If it's a conversion they should charge 5% VAT and you can reclaim that from HMRC.
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    I'd be interested to k ow how much you saved and where? Suggesting an alternate route is an obvious point that everyone getting a connection should check. I moved my connection point 30m closer to the boundary to save a few quid. Duct and draw cord - this sounds pretty standard? 40m of duct and drawcord was laid by my DNO for my connection. Grant - unique to SSE? So not many can benefit from that. Using your own contractor is a hit and miss tactic. If road openings are involved you won't save much if anything and a lot of the work can only be done by the DNO. For my connection, the amount of work I could subcontract out was so small that no one was interested in taking it on. It was only worth me doing 30m that went over my land/shared driveway. From your posts I would suggest your biggest lever over the DNO was the fact that their pole sat on your land. For context, my connection is 3ph and involved laying a new cable down 70m of unadopted Lane for which I had the pleasure of handing over a check for 11% of the total job cost. It is what it is, some you win and some you lose🤷‍♂️ Note. If you can use your own contractor to lay all your services at once through a road opening then you may make some good savings.
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    I would disagree with this. I went backwards and forwards with our DNO. The first quote came down by thousands when I suggested an alternative routes. In terms of time spend to £s saved this probably added the most value to our self build. I would rather send out three or four emails then lose thousands of pounds.
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    I would suggest that badgering utility suppliers does nothing, an individual householder is small potatoes - this however gives you all the aces and is probably the reason why the DNO decided to play ball. Leverage is king in this situation.
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    I think we were successful in eventually getting the cost reduced because of several factors and also the fact that we just wouldn’t accept their quote. You’re right enough about the electricity act and I quoted this to them along with excerpts taken from their website saying they are constantly upgrading the system to cope with demand and supplying connections to householders at affordable prices. I just kept at them although I think on our side was the fact that there is a piece of land next to us which has planning for 5 houses, although they originally said that we would have to pay the full amount and we POSSIBLY would get a refund if there were other requests for connections within a certain amount of time. The fact that the plots next to us were (and still are) on the market for ridiculous prices made us uneasy about them selling within the allotted time and therefore we would have ended up paying for the work to be done and never getting any refund.We were also fortunate in that the pole in our land had no way leave so we threatened them with requesting it’s removal. I believe these factors swayed it for us , either that or they just got fed up listening to my complaints!
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    Does an outbuilding conversion count as a new build? Thanks Temp, must be 11kv then. We are on our own up a 300m track so there are (I hope!) no plans to build more houses. I have attached their plan, there is a low voltage line to our current house which is 50m from the outbuilding but they've said the volt drop is such that they can't put any more demand on the line, or put another LV line alongside it. Emu_18062020_130131.overlay-Default-000.pdf
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    Do you have the plan WP have given you ..? From what you’ve described, WP are extending the 11Kv section to a new transformer but have they said why they can’t run a standard 3P to you at 440v ..?
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    ?? Pretty sure it's just 11kv not 11kva (11kva is only enough for one electric shower). If they are quoting for a much bigger supply than you need I believe there are ways of reclaiming a share of the infrastructure cost when other houses are connected. See bottom of page 30.. https://www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/internet/en/about-us/documents/UKPN-CCCMS-April-2017-v1.0-PXM-2017-04-06.pdf See if your DNO will do same.
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    As for the actual amount... 300m of 11kV cable and a transformer is never going to be cheap. I think 11kv cable in trench is over £60 a meter. That alone accounts for £18,000... https://www2.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=38147 Example costs here from another DNO.. https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/ofgem-publications/44527/8566-edfconchsch.pdf
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    We got ours down by: using ducting and a drawcord own contractor did trench work and back filing applied for a grant (this connection was with SSE) went back and forth for months with SSE with a view to reducing the quote as much as possible was not expecting this but sometime after the connection was done and dusted we received a random cheque from SSE no further information just that we had been overcharged. I checked the quote all was as expected so must of been an internal error that I had never seen. The connection should be zero rated for VAT if for a new build.
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    No, VAT should be 0% to you. You must not pay VAT as you cannot reclaim VAT paid in error. You should ask them to requote specifying VAT at 0% on the grounds this relates to a new house... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-fuel-and-power-notice-70119 "..the first time connection of a new dwelling or relevant residential or relevant charitable building to the gas or electricity mains supply is zero rated under Group 5 of Schedule 8 to the VAT Act 1994 if the connection is made as part of the construction of the building see Notice 708 Buildings and construction for further details" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/buildings-and-construction-vat-notice-708 "First time gas and electricity connections 0% Fuel and power (VAT Notice 701/19)" If they try and argue that only the "connection" should be zero rated refer them to... "3.3.4 Work closely connected to the construction of the building Subject to paragraph 3.3.6, your work is closely connected to the construction of the building when it either: Snip (b) produces works that allow the building to be used, such as works in connection with the: Snip * means of providing water and power to the building (this can extend to the work required to make the connection to the nearest existing supply)"
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    Hi, we are in the same boat as Christine, we have received a quote from Western Power for £29,000 plus VAT (which I assume is at 20%) plus wayleaves and groundworks, which will bring us up to around £40K. We are at the end of the line and they have to take new 11kva high voltage lines underground to a new transformer on an existing pole, plus another pole by the road, with close to 300m of HV cable, jointing and so on. We are in West Cornwall, the nearest Independent Connection Provider I can find is in Cardiff (?!), a lot don't do high voltage and the ones that do won't do a single dwelling, so looks like we're stuck with Western Power. I've seen a couple of posts that said they got their DNO's quote down substantially or got a refund later. Is there an established procedure for doing this, or do you just have to argue with them? My reading of the Electricity Act suggests that DNOs have a statutory duty to supply a connection, but £40K is an insane amount - 11kva would be enough to supply about 40 houses...Any help with this would be greatly appreciated!
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    You won't be able to take any meaningful research from this and the other connection costs posts. It's all dependent on the site and with all utility connections best to assume nothing until the quote has been provided. For our site we had a electricity pole on our field but it couldn't support another household so had to go back to the transformer.
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    About £1000 for SSE in the north of Scotland, to connect to an existing cable literally in the verge on the other side of a single track road. the road crossing was done by others so not included. This was a revised price, after other work had been done and I had already opened up the connection pit in the verge and laid a dict with draw string all the way from the connection pit to the meter box, so it had reduced their work to just pull the cable through and make the connection both ends. I then filled in the connection pit.
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    Scottish Water, north of Scotland. connection to water main the other side of a single track road and about 3 metres into the field, was about £1000 for the connection including all fees, and another £1000 to make the road crossing (which was also used for other services) No main drainage here so private treatment plant.
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    Welcome to the forum. It's not very safe to use an average figure as prices can vary a lot depending on the situation. In some cases you could be diggng short distances across grass verges and in others hundreds of yards along a road. Some work you can do yourself and some has to be done by a contractor working for the utility company. Some utility companies seem to exploit this and charge extortionate rates compared to what you could do it for yourself. I would budget £120-£150 per meter in grass and £200-300 per meter in tarmac plus anywhere from £1000-£5000 per connection. Much higher fgures of aren't unheard of..
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    Very hard to estimate, we never asked for a quote before starting mainly because we had a couple of plots half a mile up the road from where we were building and we had asked for a quote for them prior to marketing and were given a figure of £2500 so we went on that figure since we were in the same area and much the same situation being that there was a pole on the land in both cases, imagine our horror when we eventually got the quote and it came in at £25,000! When we queried it it turned out that there was no capacity in the line and they would have to bring a new line in from 283m away. It’s a long story previously documented but after a lot of effort we got it reduced to £4,500 but it just goes to show you never to assume anything!
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    - East Kent - 17m - £636 I laid the ducting from the pole to the house with a draw cord and UKPN pulled the cable through and connected both ends. As you can see there is a huge variation of costs depending on area and contestable and non-contestable costs.
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    It will be difficult to get an average cost Ours was as close to the plot as you are likely to get I dug a trench that ran two mtres away from the connection point Gas €700 Electric £800 Water £1200 Sewage quote was 25k So Like most I installed a treatment plant
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    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/search/?q="Connection Cost"&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy&search_and_or=or
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    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/search/?q="Connection Cost"&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy&search_and_or=or
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    For electricity, my quotation from UKPN was as follows (in mid 2019): For complicated reasons, which I won't bore you with, I got a refund so only ended up paying £4,682.
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    I can start off. Potable water (work will be done in the next couple of months): 35 metre communication pipe in a non-adopted road (concrete surface) is about £110 per meter (by my contractor). The Cambridge Water connection cost to the mains is as follows: Note: this price is from before April 2020 and I think it is due to rise a bit because of annual price rises. Sorry, don't have costings for drains connections yet.
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    @Jude1234 Can't really add much more than has been said already, but the main thing is you have identified the issue and at least can do something about it. Conversation with your OH is essential and not to be delayed.
  44. 1 point
    Please just get a schedule of works in duplicate and each of you sign them with the agreed amount. It protects both you and the builder and is so simple to refer back to if confusion or disagreement should ever occur. The document simply states for £X your getting XYZ, no more no less. Trust is a beautiful thing, but confusion at the details stage can add a big chunk of time ( £ labour ) so be very aware. As a contractor this method has saved me countless times where Mr Blogs thought he was getting 20 spotlights in the kitchen diner but had only paid for 8 etc. I'd never do it differently. Edit to add : Oh, and of course the very best luck moving forward
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    The spreadsheet I knocked up to emulate the parts of the claim form where you have to fill in every receipt, add up the VAT etc, is here, if you want to copy it: http://www.mayfly.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/VAT Claim Form 431 - Blank.xls It comes without any warranty, etc, but I used it and HMRC accepted it. There's an extra column added at the left to use a serial number - I found it easier to find receipts in the stack and organise them if I pencilled a number at the top right of each one. HMRC don't mind this at all.
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    @JanetE, I have a file of notes taken from EB and BH, so I copy the relevant stuff here (from @JSHarris I think...) First the basics. There are separate HMRC forms for receipts where the VAT is broken out as a separate figure and where VAT is just included in the total price. HMRC will accept spreadsheets that look like these forms, and have told me that they are happy if there is an extra serial number column at the left. I'll post copies of the blank spreadsheet versions we used later, once I've cleared all the data out. HMRC need the receipts to be ordered in the same sequence as they are entered on the form, which is where the additional column is useful, as you can pencil a serial number on the top right of each receipt to more easily keep them in sequence. I found that we had loads of till receipts, rather than A4 printed receipts, and there are two main issues with these. The first is that they are heat and light sensitive, so keep them somewhere cool and dark or else they will fade. The second is that they are a pain to try and keep in order, so staple each one to the centre of a sheet of blank A4 paper. This then allows the serial number to be pencilled in the top right corner, makes them a LOT easier to handle and allows you somewhere to write notes regarding ineligible items and then write the calculated VAT or total price figure down. The latter is important. You need to go through every single receipt and check that there are no tools or other ineligible reclaim items on it, and if there are you need to mark them, recalculate either the VAT (for a receipt where VAT is given separately, or recalculate the total price (for a receipt where VAT is only included in the total price). The receipts need to be in date order and must contain evidence that you are the purchaser (so your name has to be on it, and for a till receipt this may well just be the name on the card used - so take care to use a card with your name on it). The receipts also have to have the sellers name and their VAT number. You cannot reclaim VAT from a non-VAT registered seller, or if the receipt doesn't have the VAT number on it. This latter point is a pain, as I've found several online sellers who fail to put their VAT number on the emailed receipt. In each case I've had to contact them for evidence of their VAT number, but things would have been a lot simpler had every original emailed receipt had the VAT number on it to start with. If I were doing this again, then I'd start by keeping better control of the receipts from the moment I received them. In the case of emailed or web page receipts, printed off, then I'd have checked straight away if they had all the correct information on (my name, suppliers name, VAT number, date, etc) and asked the suppliers to correct any that weren't in order. I'd also have started stapling till receipts to sheets of paper to better be able to file them and keep them from getting faded, torn etc. On some of these I'd have made pencilled notes on the attached paper that better described the items. B&Q, in particular, use a very abbreviated description on their receipts which makes it challenging to work out what the items are. Finally, I bought a lot of stuff via Ebay, at a good price, but virtually none of it has an eligible receipt. Many of the sellers are probably not VAT registered, but even those that are very rarely give a receipt with their proper company name and VAT number on, so unless you are saving more than 20% by buying on Ebay items may well not be the bargain they seem.
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    I believe that's where the phrase "I'd stick my arm in a sliding gate for a go on that!" comes from.
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    I'm particularly pleased with the way my gates coming along. Keeps the super car stable safe at least. SWMBO, pictured, is one reason all my jobs take so long... (Mods, any chance of a tongue in cheek emoji? 😂)
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    Yes - my Skoda Superb is an inch wider than a Tesla 3, and it currently has very minor scratches on 3 out of 4 corners. One reason why I am waging a genocidal war on next door's ivy that came over the wall is because it deceived my parking radar and made me scratch my bumper.
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    Talk about coincidence! Two members spell check goes t!ts up on the same night! Edit: Go on I'll say it for you, "Carrot!"
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